tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899309861714342259.post2544880077890830936..comments2023-12-18T21:30:49.318-08:00Comments on AJW's Blog: DNF's - A follow upAJWhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04387120797582582699noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899309861714342259.post-29354814540775263692017-09-24T03:33:51.578-07:002017-09-24T03:33:51.578-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03222186550150751164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899309861714342259.post-6895060011294968922010-01-19T09:42:54.525-08:002010-01-19T09:42:54.525-08:00Andy:
Just now saw your blog and found the DNF di...Andy:<br /><br />Just now saw your blog and found the DNF discussion interesting. Being a mid packer my DNFs don't garner much discussion.:-) But I did have one at Cactus Rose this past year where I had to drop at mile 85. Without boring people with the details it became very much a safety issue and I had wife and kids to think about. Still have no regrets.<br /><br />Concerning Tony and Leadville. I don't think the comaprison with Carpenter is apples to apples. It was Matt's first 100 and from what I recall he used the humbling experience of the 40 mile death march to fuel his efforts next year. Kudos to him for finishing.<br /><br />I think if this had been Tony's first effort at Leadville he may have elected to death march it home. However, after having won the race twice and owning the 2d and 3d fastest times it was course record or bust. That was his motivation for doing the race. Granted he might've earned some extra respect for death marching it in but that wasn't necessarily his goal. So I don't think the comparison with Carpenter is entirely valid.<br /><br />Anyway, enjoyed reading the blog and liked the way you stuck your neck out on this issue.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13430126177936755877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899309861714342259.post-78719053967728467722010-01-15T18:56:52.590-08:002010-01-15T18:56:52.590-08:00Great post Andy! I have pondered over the same tho...Great post Andy! I have pondered over the same thought of DNF's and UROY. It should be part of the discussion but not the whole discussion. Good luck this season man. I envy the fire you have for the sport each and every year. Hope to see you on the trails soon.rdljonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12226520337351388853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899309861714342259.post-73006242638525449032010-01-14T17:11:13.607-08:002010-01-14T17:11:13.607-08:00AJW,
You should never have to apologize for callin...AJW,<br />You should never have to apologize for calling it like you see it. More people in this country need to speak thier feelings and not worry who's feelings get hurt.William Swinthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07523179781684925894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899309861714342259.post-44052302999421531502010-01-13T21:19:35.720-08:002010-01-13T21:19:35.720-08:00AJW:
Thank you for the follow up and clarificatio...AJW:<br /><br />Thank you for the follow up and clarification. I am an educator and "used-to-be" ultrarunner who loves following the current action in the sport. Your blog is a great means for me to do that. I admit to being surprised by your first DNF post and the specificity with which you framed your position. It felt..."aggressive" for lack of a better word and I wondered to myself what example that set for students/kids. Nonetheless, I loved your courage to post it. This current post only reaffirms to me your deep sense of respect for the sport of ultrarunning and the efforts of others in all challenging endeavors. As I wrote on Anton K's blog after his Leadville DNF post: "Anyone can post after they do well. But, I really respect posting and taking the time to clarify when things go poorly." This current post of yours leads me to the same belief about you. Running a 100 miles can sometimes seem easy compared to this type of true integrity. Thanks. All the best.Burthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07211770147671970928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899309861714342259.post-12180605631716354682010-01-13T20:14:08.004-08:002010-01-13T20:14:08.004-08:00How can you include DNF's if all the races don...How can you include DNF's if all the races don't report them? Will reporting DNF's a requirement?Ben Nephewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04819864580010023523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899309861714342259.post-27770036619334828662010-01-13T19:43:57.624-08:002010-01-13T19:43:57.624-08:00I think that a name-less discussion of DNFs might ...I think that a name-less discussion of DNFs might have sounded too theoretical to be truly interesting. Aside from the truism that it's your blog so you can do what you want, one possibly effective approach may have been to list the race results (all of them, not just the DNFs) of a few UROY contenders and then say, "Notice that Roes, James, and Koerner had one or more DNFs, whereas Meltzer and Wardian did not. Should this affect the UROY voting? Why or why not?" That might have kept the discussion focused on the UROY issue rather than the problematic tangent of whether DNFs are morally wrong....crowtherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01636268417511507679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899309861714342259.post-13818261465532674592010-01-13T18:14:16.879-08:002010-01-13T18:14:16.879-08:00Somewhere between personal journal and journalist,...Somewhere between personal journal and journalist, in that pit of emotions/opinions/analysis between the facts and the insights, that chasm between what you feel and what you "should say", lies everything beautiful about blogging. People are coming to your blog to dwell in this world and see your truth, so don't go a changin'. <br /><br />You want to rile some folks up, try breaking a story before the journalists, or post some Karnazes vs Jurek fodder. People go f'ing crazy and start telling you about your responsibilities as a blogger. Wha? I don't even spellcheck! ;-)<br /><br />Gretch is right - get some Analytics rolling! I think you'll be surprised at who reads and where they are from. Your blogging is always insightful and entertaining and I bet your audience is much bigger than you think. I enjoy it very much.<br /><br />SDScott Dunlaphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16096284778835123584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899309861714342259.post-49211084166496887722010-01-13T18:00:46.265-08:002010-01-13T18:00:46.265-08:00I admire bloggers who say what they feel and belie...I admire bloggers who say what they feel and believe. I've long stopped reading the day-to-day boring training blogs and the sugar sweet superficial ones; picking lint out of my toenails is more interesting. Keep on truckin'.<br /><br />Rock Ghost Town this Sunday!Local Mind Mediahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06676782580566794924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899309861714342259.post-28965482767561908832010-01-13T17:37:26.103-08:002010-01-13T17:37:26.103-08:00Great follow up AJW. With your blog and its wide ...Great follow up AJW. With your blog and its wide audience there does come responsibility. The human race does quite a nice job of keeping each of us accountable when something doesn't quite smell right. That first DNF post just didn't smell or taste like the AJW folks had come to know. Nothing wrong with stirring things up and rocking the boat but your post had crossed a line and went a direction you admitted was different than intended.<br /><br />Thanks for your willingness to admit error. You're a class act in the running community.C.J. Hitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05051142358325744185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899309861714342259.post-27468154613481151162010-01-13T17:29:10.521-08:002010-01-13T17:29:10.521-08:00Well done Andy! Keep doing what your doing. Now ...Well done Andy! Keep doing what your doing. Now get back to that 5 min mile :-)Ultra Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13893311125444649738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899309861714342259.post-7466833711513437342010-01-13T17:12:20.378-08:002010-01-13T17:12:20.378-08:00I read your blog regularly. I didn't comment ...I read your blog regularly. I didn't comment on the post b/c I just thought it was your take on the issue. Just b/c I don't agree doesn't mean you should have came out with less force.<br /><br />However, most of the people listed in the post have big fan bases. While most of us will never know what it feels like to CR, or finish top ten, we do pull for ya'll. We are the people shouting for you at Michigan Bluff. Our crews travel ahead to get a glimpse of the front runners. I visualize being able to flow like you guys, and it's that kind of thinking that's gotten me through a few miles. <br />Both good posts, and I will see you in Auburn...I'll be the guy just ahead of you (ok, not really, but I can still talk junk until then!)Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04950324387770493842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899309861714342259.post-69906666674900902902010-01-13T16:45:28.131-08:002010-01-13T16:45:28.131-08:00I do not even know you and I actually received num...I do not even know you and I actually received numerous emails from fellow runners that were pissed off about your DNF post. I just now actually read it for the 1st time.<br /><br />My question to you is....What's the point of doing a follow up post? This is your blog and you can say what the hell you want (even if it is crap. ha!). Be strong in the face of adversity. If they dont like it there are plenty of other blogs to choose from.Honehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10305522904478032648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899309861714342259.post-52500998309182416462010-01-13T15:52:06.916-08:002010-01-13T15:52:06.916-08:00I appreciate your remarks on the difference betwee...I appreciate your remarks on the difference between intent and impact - a very important distinction. Thanks for returning to this topic to share your thought process and the insights you've gained since the initial post.<br /><br />Also, you should check out a little thing called Google Analytics. ;)Gretchenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01132576974564001603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899309861714342259.post-72352226941276144202010-01-13T14:47:19.267-08:002010-01-13T14:47:19.267-08:00I've said a few things in the past that offend...I've said a few things in the past that offend some. And I never meant to offend anyone. But that's the real world. It's not perfect. <br /><br />Blog it up, and don't miss the luge run, cuz' after you do that, you'll be posting some hilarious entertainment.Speedgoat Karlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06938342832238975059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899309861714342259.post-22871521656512676512010-01-13T14:30:35.289-08:002010-01-13T14:30:35.289-08:00In some respects the blog entry so many found upse...In some respects the blog entry so many found upsetting has been a blessing to you. <br />It has led to new insight, increased clarity on the subject materal and refreshers of lessons learned long ago. All in all it was a thought provoking entry that generated intelligent thought and emotion. When most people speak or write their honest thoughts they will be seen by many as controversial. I think the key is to be tactful about expressing real thought without trying to be "PC" <br />bla bla bla... Keep up the good work!Mike Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04139085630995411246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899309861714342259.post-78411885309879949202010-01-13T14:12:02.773-08:002010-01-13T14:12:02.773-08:00GZ, since I just outed myself on being a voter I&#...GZ, since I just outed myself on being a voter I'd rather keep how I voted to myself for now.AJWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04387120797582582699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899309861714342259.post-89385109943006770382010-01-13T14:09:34.121-08:002010-01-13T14:09:34.121-08:00I think it is fine to consider that. As Brownie s...I think it is fine to consider that. As Brownie stated earlier - a DNF is a loss to everyone in the field (and I have lost to everyone in the field on occasion - but will stand by it being the right thing for me to do that day).<br /><br />Are you willing to comment on how you voted? And/or how DNF's particularly impacted your view of how to vote? If not, I respect that. I get that this can get a bit more sensitive (back to names).GZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12623054918799881730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899309861714342259.post-81737982198089388862010-01-13T14:04:42.697-08:002010-01-13T14:04:42.697-08:00GZ, thanks for the comments and yes, I have been a...GZ, thanks for the comments and yes, I have been a voter for the UROY Awards for the past four years. <br /><br />On a related note, it is likely that next season dnf's will be listed as part of a runner's body of work provided the rd's who report results to UR mag include that information in their results.AJWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04387120797582582699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899309861714342259.post-50106300731830530362010-01-13T12:48:23.255-08:002010-01-13T12:48:23.255-08:00P.S - were you a voter in the UROY?P.S - were you a voter in the UROY?GZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12623054918799881730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899309861714342259.post-89708416261568945042010-01-13T12:46:33.671-08:002010-01-13T12:46:33.671-08:00Hey, I like your blog.
I don't have to agre...Hey, I like your blog. <br /><br />I don't have to agree with every belief of yours to like it. <br /><br />I think it took some balls to put the post out there, and balls to come back and say that you have changed your thinking on it. <br /><br />Did I agree with some of the things implied in your post? Nope. Did I get that you were kicking that around in the context of UROY. Yup. So we talk, debate, chat, whatever - and learn. <br /><br />I appreciate that it was in this forum with you stating it rather than an anonymous poster / poser. Ideally, it would be a great yap on a run, but that will be some other time.GZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12623054918799881730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899309861714342259.post-67559027355388955432010-01-13T12:05:13.081-08:002010-01-13T12:05:13.081-08:00In some ways, you were merely articulating the whi...In some ways, you were merely articulating the whispers/thoughts of quite a few people out there irrespective of their "rightness". I think it's still difficult to talk about a topic in a non-specific way. Most athletes in major sports have to deal with bloggers/journalists constantly questioning their "heart" (just ask Randy Moss) and making judgements; maybe it's simply a sign of the growth of the sport that the discussion has moved beyond merely being in awe of people doing the distance. Just a thought.<br /><br />Have a great year and see you at Western States; it was a pleasure to share the trails at Rocky with you for 20 miles last year.Gundyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00446437059363864127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899309861714342259.post-46610731311952403192010-01-13T11:28:20.235-08:002010-01-13T11:28:20.235-08:00A lot of people follow your blog because you'r...A lot of people follow your blog because you're good at what you do, you post interesting things, and you are passionate about the sport. Some people like me read it even though 87.4% of the content relates to Western States. ;)<br /><br />Running is a great mind clearer, and I have often thought of better ways to have said things and done things while pounding the pavement. Then I anguish over it more as to why I didn't do a better job the first time.<br /><br />I am a firm believer that these things happen for a reason. So don't regret the post or how it was written for a second...if there's anything you feel you can learn from it, then take it to heart...great.<br /><br />Most of us have done worse...Bretthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02376446409534942024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899309861714342259.post-15243483396765526882010-01-13T10:59:18.660-08:002010-01-13T10:59:18.660-08:00Your blog rocks, and don't go changing it beca...Your blog rocks, and don't go changing it because you may have pissed some people off. It's your opinion, and if others don't like it they don't have to read it. I'm sure the guys you mentioned in your original post have somehow gotten over it and have managed to sleep at night once again...browniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09505392867686096325noreply@blogger.com